Thursday, January 19, 2012

Why is there a hue of skin colors among Indians?

In my previous post I indicated that there was a massive Immigration of peoples from the North to the South around 1500 BC.

Anthropologists and Geneticists say that people from the arid steppe lands of Central Asia or West Eurasia (the present day Kazhakstan at 45 N parallel and 60 South) migrated into India from the North West around the time the Fall of the glorious Indus Valley Civilization. Perhaps, these people were looking for fertile lands to grow crops. India provided this with perennial rivers of Indus, Ganges, Brahmaputra, Narmada, Cauvery etc with deep oceans all around for fishing...

What's not clear is whether these people from the North (some historians call them as Aryans) were responsible for the Fall of the Indus Valley Civilization or it happened because of natural disaster of some kind. It has been a puzzle for many historians and anthropologists.

These new immigrants from the North West spoke distinctly a different language (called Indo-European type as opposed to the Indo-Dravidian type) called Sanskrit and were having low melanin pigment in their skin (like the "White People).

These people are the Vedic people who wrote Vedas, the Holy Book of the present day Hindus in India around 3500 years ago.  Before the arrival of this Vedic people, Indians were worshiping Nature (like Sun, Moon, Sea, Rain etc); there is evidences of prevalent Shaktism - the practice of worshiping a Female God (Divine Mother God). And a few were worshiping Shiva lingam in the ancient pre-Vedic India.

These Vedic people started inter-marrying the dark skinned people of India for at least the next 2000 years. So much so after multiple generations of cross marriages, what we have in India is people with a hue of skin colors, which is prevalent in the middle States of India today: People in Kashmir look very similar to people in Kazhakstan and people in the Kanyakkumari district in down South look very much alike people in Kenya or the aboriginal Australians.In between, you will see different shades of skin color among Indians.

This skin color difference has posed enormous political and social problems in India. Some politicians divide Indians as pure Aryans and Dravidians - one came from outside India and other the aboriginals of India, respectively.  This is very divisive and totally unnecessary because over 2000 years or so, there has been complete mixing of the genes responsible for melanin, thus creating mixed pool of genes/alleles in the "Indian genome".

Thus most Indians are of mixed genome as far as the multiple genes responsible for the synthesis, processing and loading of melanin under the skin and its maintenance and degradation are concerned. I consider myself  a Dravidian, sporting a dark brown color (like President Obama, who is the son of a Kenyan father and a White American mother - a mutt, as he calls himself), while my mother and my maternal grandmother looked more " fair colored" or "White".

This is to say that each family has members who sport darker AND  lighter skin, meaning every Aryan has Dravidian in him or her, or every Dravidian has an Aryan in him or her genetically speaking.

In Tamil Nadu we have political parties of DK, DMK and AIADMK, who all practice Dravidian Ideology as opposed to most other  Southern States.

For the aforementioned reasons, it is not correct to dwell on Dravidian Ideology in the present time.

I will write about Religions in India and their consequences in the Social and Economic life,  later....

Cheers.

10 comments:

  1. Hi Yamaka,

    Excellent Blog. Have a different view on the origin of dravidian race.

    In short: we dravidians are a direct dezcendants of the egyptians (intermixed with the Ptolemys who ruled epypt after the Paraohs - only documented history where the conquerer worships the gods of the conquered - thats why you have the fair skinned brahmins/priests worshipping the dark egyptian/dravidian gods - Shiva, Vishnu, Rama, Krishna). This intermixed race (Majority Dark Dravidians + White Minority) migrated to South India via sea & established the dravidian kingdoms.

    our vedas/puranas etc.. are all from the Egyptian texts, our temples are built as pyramids (gopurams), our gods are similar to their gods - god of desctruction, god of war, god of love etc.. Ramayana & Mahabrata are subsequent texts added to this by the dravidians. Shiva, Vishnu & hanuman are all described as curly hairs like the africans. Shiva has knotted hair like africans.

    All cultures/religion originates from us egyptians/dravidians. Story of Troy is the Lanka version of Ramayana. Troy is Lanka. wife gets kidnapped & triggers a extra-ordinary war. Lanka & Troy are both protected by Invincible Walls & Princes - Indrajit/Hector etc.. this dravidian race knows the white race well - Ravana is described as blonde hair (gold hair like sun), blue eyes (eyes like deep blue sea), white skin (like the white clouds) by hanuman in valmiki ramyana !!

    our priests/brahmins are a mix of the dark egyptian priests intermixed with the white ptolemys/greek/romans !! thats why the priests had such dominance in our culture. That’s why every western researchers claims Arya as Aryan etc..

    Sanskrit originated indigeneously in dravidian kingdom by the mix of Greek & Egyptian/ Dravidian language. thats why Sanskrit is spoken in dravidian consonant. thats why Telugu (70% sanskrit), Kannada (50%), Tamil (50%), Malayalam (50%), Tulu (50%) & Coorgi (50%) languages in south are heavily sanskrit!!

    North Indians are a mix of majority persians, muslims, kushanas, & south dravidians who estabilshed kingdoms in North.

    I can send you the full thesis on this by email.
    Cheers,
    JK

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  2. Hi JK:

    Welcome to this blog.. Nice feedback. My response here:

    1. The Southern Route of Human Migration from ancient Africa happened long long before Pharaos (1500 BC) or Claudius Ptolemy (90 AD). I have given the possible Southern Route in my other article in this blog. I believe these Original people stayed only in India in large numbers than in any other location on this Route because of very conducive climate for agriculture and fishing. I call these people the "Dravidians" (dark colored people you find in most of South India today). I also believe that Indus Valley Civilization was built by these people.

    2. The light skinned "Aryans" came to India around 1500 BC from the steppe arid lands of Central Asia or West Eurasia (now Kazhakstan, probably). These people inter-married with the dark-skinned Dravidians for about 2000 years creating a hue of colors in the Indian population today.

    3. I believe great Epics of Mahabharata by Great Vysasa & Co and Ramayana by Great Valmiki & Co were written during the Epic Period around 400 BC to 200 AD. I maintain that these Epics were written to popularize the worship of Lord Krishna and Lord Rama, since Lord Shiv worship has been there in ancient India during the Pre-Vedic period. In the Indus Valley Civilization, there has been widespread worship of "Shakti" and some Shiva Lingam worship, Archeologists say.

    4. The population in Egypt today is a mix of Original Africans AND migrants from the North. Please look at the skin color of late President Anwar Sadat and the present Mubarak.

    5. Sanskrit - the Vedic language came with the Aryans is considered very similar to Indo-European languages, while Tamil is considered a typical Indo-Dravidian language, according to linguistic scholars.

    6. Since India was invaded and occupied for a long time since 900 AD, there was a mix of skin color derived from Afghans, Persians, Portuguese, English etc.

    Therefore, I request you to consider the time frame that each events occurred in the past.

    Regards.

    Y

    ps. JK, what's your professional background, and education, if I may ask you? Thanks.

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  3. Hi Yamaka,

    Brief background abt myself. Started as a techie (comp sc engg), working in an MNC as a global manager. However i have been a student of history right through & being a TB with a family full of sanskrit scholars & well versed in our ancient scriptures, I know them very well.

    So I do this in my spare time :)

    Cheers,
    JK

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  4. Hello JK:

    Thanks for the personal info.

    I want to pursue something you wrote about "positive energy" in the other Forum (Tb.com), which caught my attention.

    Most Scientists have a distinct idea of the concept of energy, which can be in the form of heat, electrical, chemical etc. There are clear cut methodologies of measurements and units of energy.

    But people of Belief use it in a different way. For most Scientists there is no "positive" or "negative" energy. They are terms of Religion, Sociology or Psychiatry.

    But Scientists use "positive" or "negative" ions, sides of membranes etc.

    Recently, Dr. R. Venki (Nobelist) slammed the Religious people for inventing new terms like "positive energy".

    More later..

    Cheers.

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  5. Hi Yamaka,

    This is jaykay here !. I actually got blocked by the site owner when i was trying to post here 2 days back.

    I had to create another hotmail id/google account to post again !

    Cheers,
    JK

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  6. Hi yamaka,

    The problem with the north Aryan (White man - blond hair/blue eyes, white skin, NOT persian) migration theory is that there is absolutely NO archealogical evidence to support it. Also that they come here without a religion, adopted our dark gods & then wrote everything in Sanskrit but pronounced it a dravidian consonant.!

    Most historians agree that the aryan migration theory is not correct. just google on David Frawley.

    Now look at the timeline, there was NO sanskrit during Ashoka regime 300BC - confired by every researcher. He writes his edicts in every language including Greek, but does NOT mention even the language Sanskrit/Chandasa!!!

    The egyptians migrated after the Ptolemys ruled after 100 AD, all the dravidian languages, sanskrit, caste system, all come at this time. Vedas/puranas etc,. are eyptian texts & hence they have timelines mentioned into 5000 BC etc..

    It is possible that the eyptians migrated much earlier, but definitely a migration happened after the Ptolemys & subsequent collapse of the empire. when the Romans conquered Eygpt, they systematically demolished egyptian culture & imposed Christianity saying it is pagan culture, so the egyptian people/priests migrated to south indi at this time !

    thats why Ankor Wat (established by chola) points to Egypt Pyramids & many western researchers have confirmed this.

    Cheers,
    JK

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  7. Hi Yamaka,

    On the positive/negative energy:

    Agree this is still in the realm of research & speculation !

    However the very fact that there is a matter & anti matter, helps us to understand that Good/Evil, Happiness/Suffering, etc,, co-exist as a corollary !! & yes this still needs to be proven.

    Only when we can take this energy (brahman) & infuse life into a dead person/animal, this theory will get proved. ! & a lot of research is on to create life, so it is a matter of time. if yes, this will also prove the fact that God & our sages were able to revive a person from dead to life !

    My view is that time travel (ageless body, timeliness heaven etc..) looked impossible till Einstien came & proved this ! Hence it is only a matter of time, that the ultimate being Bramhan is proved. Many near death experiences talk about very bright light at the end of the tunnel etc..

    Cheers,
    JK

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  8. Hello - I am unable to post messages again ?

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  9. Hi Yamaka,

    PS: I could not create a blog in your site & could not upload the entire thesis in the comments column ! Kindly refer to dravidiansegyptians dt blogspot dt in

    Have posted my full theses on dravidians, race origins, all texts - ramayana & mahabarata are pure dravidian/south india texts. Bharatavarshe is a land from Vindhyas to down south Kerala with Lanka as the port city controlling all sea routes. How Rama is a south Indian King & not a north king as people think.

    How all places mentioned in Ramyana/Mahabarata are in South India (Ayothiapattinam, Agasthiyar Hills, Madurai is Mathura as per Megasthenes himself - land of Krishna etc.. (TN), Hastinapuram, Kubeira - Tirupati, Sanjeevini Hills (Andra), Pandavapura, Vatapi, Kishkinda (Karnataka) etc.. why there was NO temple found under Babri Masjid?.

    Cauvery is Ganga (the original Ganga is Nile of Egypt), Gangavathi is in Karnataka, Kannada kings are called Ganga Kingdoms, there are NO Ganga kingdoms in North India.

    How south Indian kings establish Ayodha & rule in the name of Lord Ram, in all the palces they conquered (North India, Indonesia, Thailand, Malaysia etc..)

    Revival of Hinduism is a recent 200 yrs phenomenon (including the naming of Ganga/Yamuna etc..Kumbh Mela etc..) in North India after the Islamic Rule for 700 yrs etc.. Most north temples are all on islamic architecture, priests chant in Hindi not sanskrit. if sanskrti was a North Indian origin & it is so dear to them, why no one chants in temple. Vedic Hymns are all pronounced in dravidian consonant/tonques.

    Cheers,
    JK

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  10. Hi JK:

    I did not block anything from you or anybody. I don't know where the problem lies.

    I will go thru the material you posted in the site you mentioned, read it before I get back to you.

    Thanks.

    Cheers.

    Y

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